Saturday, August 25, 2007

Get To The Root Of The Problem - Blame The Spammers

For some time recently, we have been seeing two basic complaints a lot, in Blogger Help Forum: Something Is Broken.

I tried to post on my blog, and it says my blog is under review for possible violations, and cannot be modified. I have read the terms of service, and there is nothing in my blog that even remotely violates the terms of service.
and
It's getting so that I'm embarrassed to be asking my friends to read my blog because there's so much porn everywhere. I'm even thinking of changing blog hosts because of it.


Both of these complaints have a single cause. Spammers. 90% of the porn in Blog*Spot is on splogs, spam blogs that are obvious clones of each other. I went "Next Blog" surfing for a short hour this morning, and found one set of splogs ("splog farm") with over 2 dozen members, and other splogs too. 2 dozen of the same dreck, that I found in a short hour, randomly. And it's not real porn either, it's garbage. Garbage connected to hacking attempts, hacking attempts that are targeting the unwary.

The splog volume is part of the problem. You have one or two blogs. Several splog farms contain hundreds of thousands of individual blogs, each. Blogger fuzzy spam detection, in an attempt to detect a significant portion of the splogs, is going to detect innocent blogs as spam.

Even a significant portion not detected causes more complaints from bloggers tired of seeing porn spam in "Next Blog". There will be both false negatives (splogs that are not detected), and false positives (legitimate blogs that are detected).

Many legitimate blogs, falsely detected, won't be even marginally suspicious - they will have normal content, of widely varying subject matter. To reduce the false negatives count, you'll see more false positives, and vice versa. And the criminals behind the splog farms are constantly tuning the content of their blogs, to make them look more like normal blogs (such as yours) - further increasing the false negatives count.

Blogger #1 (above) claims
there is nothing in our blog that even remotely violates the terms of service.
and whines that Blogger has to unblock his blog. Blogger loosens the filters, Blogger #1's blog is declared clean, and we get false negatives - spam blogs declared clean, too - and we get more complaints from Blogger #2.

Blogger #2 (above) claims
I'm embarrassed to be asking my friends to read my blog because there's so much porn everywhere.
and whines that Blogger has to block the porn. Blogger tightens down the filters, blocks some of the porn, and we get false positives - innocent blogs (like yours) detected as spam - and we get more complaints from Blogger #1.

This is just two sides of the same problem, neither side recognising the real problem, and neither side solving the problem.

Things that might help mitigate the problem.
Stop whining and start doing something. Blogger can't do it, on their own.


If you feel the need to discuss the problem online, do so, and list the problems so they can be examined and / or dealt with. You may read more about the problem, in The Attack Of The Clones. You can read about recent changes in the "Next Blog" link, in It's Here - The New "Next Blog" Link.


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17 comments:

bytehead said...

I've tried to do this before, but the issue of missing navbar was always a problem. But this solves that. And with the next bookmarklet, you don't even have to move your mouse to go to the next one if you aren't looking at a splog.

I'm probably being a bit of a dick, but I'm also flagging legit blogs if they have their navbar turned off. You don't want it fine, go FTP! :-p

bytehead said...

I also forgot to mention, you really need to be running NoScript. I feel bad enough allowing blogspot.com (but only temporarily) let alone all the other javascript stuff some of these sites try to load.

Chuck said...

If you're running Firefox with NoScript, you need to configure NoScript to allow the expression behind the "Flag Blog" shortcut.
javascript:toggleFlag();

Better to allow the expression, for all blogs, then to open NoScript for all "*.blogspot.com".

The "Next Blog" shortcut isn't script, just a URL, so it's not affected by NoScript.

If you put the "Flag Blog" and "Next Blog" shortcuts next to each other, try not to flag any innocent blogs when you hit "Next Blogs".

The Revolt and Revolting said...

Blogger is reviewing blogs? I can't publish to mine either. I'll have to review the 'agreement to service,' I guess.

Chuck said...

The rumour is that Blogger is running bots that review blogs. Of course, automation has its limits. Hence the false positives and fase negatives.

Donny Viszneki said...

chuck: Excellent article. It's really important that people understand how these types of problems interrelate with one another. Good form.

bytehead: You're not just being a dick, you are almost definitely violating Blogger Terms of Service.

Skanky Jane said...

I'm with Donny on two points:
1. Excellent article (with characteristic practical advice) and
2. Regarding bytehead



I guess NoScript means no script yeah? So no fancy do-dahs on your blog then? (Such as label-clouds, peekaboo posts etc?)

Thanks Chuck.
SJ xx

Chuck said...

Skanks,

NoScript blocks malicious code from other web sites from running on your computer. It doesn't prevent you from putting code (do-dahs) on your web site.

And not all do-dahs are blocked by NoScript anyway.

NoScript is an extremely popular security device for Firefox, and there are possibly 3 reasons why it's so popular, and all work together.
1) It doesn't generate a lot of false positives. A lot of do-dahs aren't blocked by it, because it's very selective.
2) It's well maintained (frequently updated).
3) It's free (dohh).

All that said, you should always test your blog, each time you add fancy do-dahs. And test from multiple browsers and operating systems.

Since you write for your readers, you want to make sure that your readers have the best chance of enjoying what you write. Including the do-dahs.

A.M. said...

If four of my blogs are spammed within minutes of each other, and my blogs are of a political nature, isn't it likely it was done by a person from the "other side"?

I would gladly have less blogs but having only two columns, and no control over the size of text in the margin column without it affecting the text in the main article is very limiting.

Because of this, I went with more blogs so each blog could focus on a certain aspect of the recently run presidential race.

I regularly post original content to each blog. I wish there was a paid mode for google blogger so I could be treated like an actual human being rather than an anonymous opportunist looking for a freebie.

Chuck said...

A.M.,

Please define what you mean by "your blogs are spammed". Are people posting spammy comments to the blogs? Or are mysterious spammy posts appearing on them?

Neither of those scenarios should have anything to do with peoples blogs being falsely considered to be spam. That's the subject of this post.

If unknown parties are publishing spammy comments, or spammy posts, on your blogs, this may be a change that you have to make to your blogs. I'll advise you, but you need to provide specifics.

Of course, you might be better off posting in GBH: Something Is Broken. If you have done that already, and I missed the post, my apologies. The online forums are much easier to use, then Blogger Blog Commenting, for interactive problem solving.

miguel said...

thank you for the advice and my apology for yelling. its just so frustrating to see these abuses. We hope you could help remove such reported blogs for abuses..

Thank you

Amelia said...

Nice article. Can't really understand all because my english is bad. but nice.

What make blog considered as spam? Links? pop up? my blog has pop up and I don't know where it come from. Also have many links to other websites/blog. Yeah I like to exchange links and review other websites. IS that why my blog deleted by google because of spam? I got email from google that my blog is spam.

And what do you means by "As I do this, your blog remains offline"? Sorry, my vocabulary is bad, my grammar is worse

Chuck said...

Amelia,

Thanks for your comments, and your patience. Right now, the problem may not be your fault, although the solution is still your responsibility. Spammers produce splogs, and they scrape the contents of our blogs to publish in their splogs.

Amelia said...

Hmm..I see... Okay, thx for the reply. hope google will give me back my blog soon...

Amelia said...

hi again.. now I have another question. Other's tOp contributor, dark ufo, reply this to my thread : "Your blog has been deemed by Google to violate their Terms of Service and will not be restored". Is that mean He/she has already reviewed my blog again? Someone marked it with "best answer".. but for me, it doesn't explain anything that will improved blogger's user. And another question...

1. I like to give comments on other blogs/website using "name/url" as identity. Does that make my blog become spam? If yes. why google has that "name/url" facility ?

2. I like to exchange links and put them all on sidebar. Do that also make my blog become spam?

3. My blog is about "money" and I put all payments I've got on sidebar according to dates I got them. Of course I put link to the sites that pay me. so I have many links to those sites. Is that spam? If yes, how to solve it? Don't say "erase your payment and the links". I can't do that.. How about using rel='nofollow'? I heard that will be useful.. Any suggestion?

Please answer my 3 questions patiently because I haven't find any useful + detail information about my blog's problem... Thanks. Ame

Chuck said...

Ame,

Right now, I have only what I've posted. Blogger has reviewed your blog, and has provided the advice

"Spam blogs cause various problems, beyond simply wasting a few seconds of your time when you happen to come across one. They can clog up search engines, making it difficult to find real content on the subjects that interest you. They may contain material that's been scraped from other sites on the web, and may use other people's writing to make it look as though they have useful information of their own. And if an automated system is creating spam posts at an extremely high rate, it can impact the speed and quality of the service for other, legitimate users."

That is all that we can provide.

Godlike said...

Just a question: What serious company puts its "clients" to arrange merchandise in the shop?

Well, I hate thinking that Blogger does just that. If there's spam among Blogger blogs it is their fault. Not customers (us). So of course we can do something about it:

1. Stay here and fight spam
2. Blame each other for not finding solutions
3. Move to another platform.

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